AND WROTE THAT THAT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY, RIGHT? [00:00:02] SO. WE DON'T HAVE PRAYER. WE DON'T HAVE PRAYER. MR. MR. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, [1. Call Meeting To Order, Establish Quorum] [A. Prayer] [B. Pledge of Allegiance] INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I CAN JUST SAY THANK YOU, GOD, FOR BRINGING US TOGETHER TODAY, AND WE HUMBLY ASK THAT WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR OUR CITY. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A CERTIFICATION OF PUBLIC NOTICE. YES, [2. Certification of Public Notice] SIR. THE AGENDA WAS POSTED LAST FRIDAY AT 04:30 P.M.. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SKIP THROUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE AGENDA ITEMS. [4. Meeting Procedures] WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. [5. PUBLIC COMMENTS] [6. AGENDA ITEMS] SO GIVE THE FLOOR TO YOU GUYS ANY ANY PRELIMINARIES? NO. WE MIGHT GO OVER THE TIMELINE AFTER THE PRESENTATION AND KIND OF LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIPE. SO I KNOW WE'VE SEEN YOU ALONG THE WAY AT THE THE BIGGER MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH COUNCIL AND WE OUR CHARGE WAS TO WORK WITH THE 2040 CHAIRS OF THE DIFFERENT 2040 COMMITTEES. SO WE'VE BEEN MEETING WITH THEM. AND IN THIS PACKET, THIS WAS THE MEETING PACKET FOR THEIR MEETING TODAY, WHICH WAS ACTUALLY THE LAST TIME WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING THEM. SO WE'VE WE'VE GOT DRAFTS OF GROWTH CAPACITY SECTION, WHICH IS KIND OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOCUS. AND THE CITY'S OUTLOOK FOR GROWTH POPULATION PROJECTIONS ARE IN THERE. WE'VE GOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SECTION AND THAT'S BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH EDC CHAMBER, BUT ALSO SOME OF OUR OBSERVATIONS WE'VE GOT IN THIS PACKET TODAY IS THE TRANSPORTATION DRAFT. AND THEN THERE'S RECREATION AND AMENITIES, WHICH IS WHERE PARKS AND RECREATION COMES IN, BUT ALSO KIND OF BROADER KIND OF I CALL IT THE QUALITY OF LIFE SECTION BEYOND ALL THE OTHER SECTIONS THAT DEAL WITH THAT. SO THE LAND USE FOCUS IS REALLY WHAT'S WHAT'S REMAINING. AND FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS A BIG PART OF THAT. SO AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT AGENDA THAT'S ON THE FRONT OF THE PACK, THAT'S THE DATES THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARD. OUR CHARGE FROM COUNCIL WAS TO GET THIS TO THEM IN OCTOBER. THEY WANT TO GET THIS PLAN ADOPTED. SO SO WHEN WE GET TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THAT'S ALWAYS ESPECIALLY AN EXERCISE BETWEEN US AND STAFF JUST TO COMPARE NOTES, KIND OF OUR OBSERVATIONS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU TODAY, AS WE DID WITH THE COMMITTEE EARLIER, IS THINGS THAT WE'VE NOTICED ON THE MAP. AND WE'VE GOT EXAMPLES IN POWERPOINT OF SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND ISSUES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. STAFF HAS BEEN VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE MAP, BUT LOOKING AT IT AS WELL KIND OF AREA BY AREA. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING OUR HEADS TOGETHER SO WE CAN PREPARE A PROPOSED NEW MAP. SO THAT'S WHY WHILE WE WERE HERE, WANTED TO HAVE THIS CHANCE TO MEET WITH YOU AND KIND OF PREVIEW WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE MAP. AND ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT SOME EXAMPLES. BUT IF THERE'S OTHER PLACES, LOCATIONS, ISSUES THAT YOU SEE IN YOUR ROLE WITH THE COMMISSION, WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT TOO. SO BUT YEAH, SO THOSE DATES BELOW, WE ARE ON TRACK TO GO TO COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 1ST, WHICH IS A REGULAR COUNCIL DATE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL DO THAT ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. JAIME OR OR WORKSHOP SESSION. IT'LL PROBABLY BE UNDER THE REGULAR AGENDA. YEAH, YEAH. BECAUSE WHAT THE MAYOR'S TYPICALLY DONE IS KIND OF HAVE OUR PRESENTATION, BUT THEN OPEN IT UP AS A FORUM. AND WE'VE HAD GOOD DISCUSSIONS DURING THOSE. SO BUT THAT'LL BE THE OVERALL DRAFT PLAN AT THAT POINT. SO WE'LL BE PRESENTING THAT HITTING THE HIGHLIGHTS. AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE WE'RE READY TO GO FORWARD TO PUBLIC HEARING. AND SO THEN THE NEXT DATE IS BACK TO YOU ALL. AND YOU WOULD GET THE DRAFT PLAN. AND WHETHER YOU'RE READY AT THAT POINT TO RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL, BUT TYPICALLY YOU'D HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT PNC LEVEL AND THEN WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, THEY ALSO DO A PUBLIC HEARING AND WHETHER THEY'RE READY TO ADOPT. SO SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HEADED. IT'S BEEN A FAST PACED TIMELINE. AND I FORGOT TO INTRODUCE KELLY. MELVIN AND HUNT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH US THROUGHOUT SUPPORTING US ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRANSPORTATION. SO SO THAT'S OUR FOCUS TONIGHT IS MAINLY THE FUTURE LAND USE, BUT CAN CERTAINLY FILL YOU IN IF THERE'S QUESTIONS ON ANY OTHER PARTS OF THE PLAN, HOW THAT'S COMING TOGETHER. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE IN OUR PROCESS. IT WOULD HELP US IF MAYBE WE COULD GO AROUND AND DO INTRODUCTIONS. I KNOW IT'S A FORMAL MEETING, BUT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T WE'VE ONLY SEEN YOU IN THE BIG FORUM. SO AND WE'LL START ON OUR SIDE. GARY MITCHELL WITH KENTUCKY'S COLLABORATIVE JENNIFER MACK WITH KENTUCKY'S PLANNING AND ZONING, VICTOR DANIELS, A LOCAL DEVELOPER I'M A BANKER BY TRADE, BUT I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL AND I'VE BEEN ON THE PSC BEFORE, SO THIS IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT AND REAL CLOSE TO ME TOO. [00:05:03] SO I RUN A LOCAL HOUSING AUTHORITY, HAVE AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN REAL ESTATE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYBODY ON HERE. VERY GOOD. GEORGE SOTELO AND I'M A REAL ESTATE APPRAISER. SO AND I'M ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD. RUBI CASAS, FARMERS INSURANCE AGENCY OWNER, AND I ALSO SIT ON THE BOARD FOR THE EDINBURG CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. YES, I'M AN ENGINEER AND CONTRACTOR. KELLY, BELLA MAULDIN AND HUNT YOU'LL SEE US QUITE REGULARLY FOR ALL OF THE THINGS. LOCAL CIVIL ENGINEER AND SERVING HIM. THIS IS A GOOD GROUP. IT'S A GOOD MIX OF BACKGROUNDS AND DAY JOBS. SO. VERY GOOD. WELL, WE'LL GO INTO THE POWERPOINT. AND IS IT CUED UP? I THINK SO. KELLY, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN SEE THESE, LIKE ON AN IPAD OR SOMETHING TO ZOOM IN AND, LIKE, REALLY LOOK AT HOW YOU GUYS, WHAT YOU'RE WITH, THE AREAS FOR THEM ARE GOT THE DIGITAL VERSION OF ALL OF THESE. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. I'M GOING TO VOLUNTEER. I CAN EMAIL IT TO YOU JUST TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO ZOOM IN AND SEE, LIKE YOU'LL HAVE TO ENLARGE THE SHEETS ON IT. WHAT'S EVERYBODY COMING UP WITH AS FAR AS, LIKE, DO IT ON THE SCREEN IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A CERTAIN AREA. I GOT TO STUDY IT AT NIGHT FOR A WHILE. AND ALSO, I GUESS BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I WANTED TO ALSO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I GOT 20 PROPERTIES IN HERE. SO I GOT ABOUT 100 OF THEM. I'M LIKE, I'M LIKE, WHAT? BEFORE THE OCTOBER 10TH MEETING, WE'LL GIVE YOU GUYS A COPY OF THE DRAFT PLAN SO YOU GUYS CAN HAVE AMPLE TIME TO REVIEW IT. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. SO ANYTIME WE'RE UPDATING FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND OF COURSE, THIS MAP GOES BACK TO ORIGINALLY THE 2005 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO CERTAINLY NEED TO REFLECT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE MEANTIME AND CAPTURE THAT ON THE MAP. WITH THE UNIFIED CODE BEING UPDATED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THAT'S ALSO PART OF THE EXERCISE IS THANK YOU, MIKE, ON THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE AND THE CODE ARE IN SYNC. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT WE FOCUSED ON ALONG WITH STAFF IS GOING BACK TO THAT PLAN. AND I'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS ON FUTURE SLIDES IS AREAS WHERE BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY WERE SHOWN ON THE FUTURE LAND USE. AND I GUESS IN RECENT TIMES THERE'S BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF MORE DENSE HOUSING BEING BUILT, SO SOME DISCUSSION OF SEPARATING THOSE AS WE GO FORWARD. SO WE CAN KIND OF FOCUS ON THE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF DENSITIES OF HOUSING SEPARATELY. AND THEN JUST THE ISSUE OF ALL THE LAND THAT'S BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY SINCE 20 YEARS AGO AND WEREN'T REFLECTED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND SO ONE PLACE WHERE THAT SHOWS UP IS WHEN LAND HAS BEEN ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. IN MANY CASES IT WAS JUST ZONED BY DEFAULT AS AG AND OPEN SPACE. THEN YOU GO TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND IT MAY NOT HAVE ANY GUIDANCE BECAUSE THE LAND WASN'T IN THE CITY AT THE TIME THE MAP WAS DONE. SO SO IT'S BEEN THAT'S BEEN A CHALLENGE WE KNOW FOR STAFF AND THE CITY. SO SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES AS WE STARTED THIS. SO HERE'S THE OVERALL VIEW. I KNOW IT'S TOUGH TO SEE THE CATEGORIES, BUT ALL THESE SLIDES ARE IN THE IN THE PACKET. AS FAR AS THE CATEGORIES, SOME OF THEM PRETTY TYPICAL COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL RESIDENTIAL CATEGORIES. THERE'S SOME UNIQUE ONES. URBAN UNIVERSITY, KIND OF THE AREA AROUND THE CAMPUS. BUT ON THAT OVERALL MAP, THE YELLOWS, ESPECIALLY AROUND THE EDGES OF THE CITY, ARE THE SUBURBAN RESIDENTIAL. SO THAT'S TYPICALLY LARGER, LOT MORE GREEN, MORE SPACE BETWEEN HOMES. THE ORANGE MORE WITHIN THE CENTER OF THE CITY IS THAT AUTO URBAN CATEGORY TENDS TO BE SMALLER, NARROWER LOTS. SO HOMES ARE CLOSER TOGETHER. THERE MAY NOT BE A LOT OF SEPARATION BETWEEN HOMES ON THE SIDE VERSUS MORE OPENNESS IN THOSE LARGER LOT AREAS. THE AUTO URBAN TERMINOLOGY IS, IS THE FACT THAT IN THESE AREAS AND COMMERCIAL AREAS, THERE'S A LOT OF PAVEMENT TYPICALLY. SO BETWEEN BUILDINGS AND PAVEMENT, SURFACE PARKING LOTS, IT'S A MORE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT SITUATION VERSUS AREAS OF THE CITY THAT MAY BE A BIT GREENER AND LESS INTENSITY. SO THAT'S WHAT THE AUTO URBAN TERM IS ABOUT. AND AGAIN, I KNOW THESE ARE DIFFICULT TO SEE UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT JUST THE COMPARISON OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES TO THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICTS IN THE CODE. MOST OF THEM HAVE A 1 TO 1. THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE FUTURE LAND USE SIDE THAT GOES WITH THE ZONING DISTRICT. AGAIN, THERE'S A FEW UNIQUE ONES. BUT HERE'S THE ISSUE THAT I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER WITH THE AUTO URBAN IN THE 2005 [00:10:01] COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THERE WAS THE AUTO URBAN CATEGORY WHERE SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY WERE BOTH LISTED, ALONG WITH THINGS LIKE TOWNHOMES AND TWO FAMILY HOMES. AND IT WAS THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, MIXED HOUSING THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE IT'S A MIX OF HOUSING TYPES. AS I SAY, THERE'S BEEN A TREND TOWARD MORE OF THE DENSE HOUSING BEING BUILT, ESPECIALLY WITH HIGHER PROPERTY VALUES, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT DRIVE IT. SO WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE WITH THE AG AND OPEN SPACE. THIS IS A MAP THAT WE PREPARED FOR THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS A MAP OF WHERE THERE'S MAJOR CHUNKS REMAINING VACANT LAND WITHIN THE CITY. AND THEN THE COLORS ARE THE ZONING CATEGORIES. SO ALL THE AREAS THAT ARE GREEN ON THAT MAP ARE THE AG AND OPEN SPACE ZONING. SO IN SOME CASES, IT'S AT THE EDGES OF THE CITY, PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN ANNEXED AT THE EDGES. BUT THERE'S PLACES INSIDE THE CITY WHERE THE ZONING IS AG AND OPEN SPACE AREAS THAT YOU KNOW ARE PRETTY LIKELY TO DEVELOP. SO THAT'S BEEN THE ISSUE IS IF SOMEBODY COMES FOR A ZONE CHANGE OR WANTS TO DO SOMETHING, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GUIDANCE, MAYBE FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND THEN THE ZONING IS JUST AG AND OPEN SPACE. SO WHAT'S THE INTENT? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH GOING FORWARD, THAT THERE'S MORE GUIDANCE OF WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT POSSIBILITIES MIGHT BE. SO THIS GETS ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL. ALL OF THEY WON'T BE HAVING TO COME BACK TO PNC ASKING TO BE CHANGED FROM AGRICULTURAL. IT'LL ALREADY BE ZONED IN THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YES. AND YOU KNOW AND THEN OVER TIME, GOING FORWARD, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR STILL APPLICANTS THAT MIGHT COME AND REQUEST REZONING. BUT I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HE'S ALLUDING TO IS THAT WE GET A LOT OF SINGLE FAMILY, LOTS THAT ARE STILL VACANT, LOTS. IT'S LIKE A VACANT LOT THAT'S AG, AND IT'S BECAUSE IT WAS A SUBDIVISION, BUT IT'S ZONED AG BECAUSE WE ANNEXED IT 2015, 2016 AND ALL OF THAT WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF WITH THIS. YEAH. BECAUSE IN THAT CASE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD GO ANY DIRECTION WITH SOMEBODY REQUESTING ZONING BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING KIND OF TO DIRECT IT. YEAH. THIS MAP WILL NOW THERE, THERE MAY STILL BE SOME AG AND OPEN SPACE AROUND THE EDGES. I DOUBT IT, BUT WE'RE ALSO AMENDING THE ZONING MAP. IT SHOULD BE THE ZONING MAP TO WE'RE AMENDING THE ZONING MAP, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE DONE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER. OH, SO IT'S NOT NOT IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN HERE. CORRECT. THIS IS THE LAND USE. SO WHEN STAFF GETS A RECOMMENDATION OR A REQUEST FOR A CHANGE OF ZONE OR SOMETHING, THEN THEY LOOK AT THIS TO SEE WHAT WAS THE INTENT FOR THE AREA. AND PART OF THE PROBLEM WITH THE PLAN RIGHT NOW IS IT STILL HAS THESE AREAS IDENTIFIED AS AG. SO THAT DOESN'T GIVE STAFF THE BACKUP, RIGHT. FOR YOU GUYS. SO THIS WILL BE THE AMENDMENT FOR THAT PROPOSED USE. AND THEN A FEW MONTHS AFTER THE FACT IS WHEN THE CITY WILL DO A SEPARATE ADOPTION FOR THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP. AND YOU CAN'T DO IT IN THE SAME DOCUMENT. WE THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE CONFUSED THINGS, I THINK. SO TYPICALLY IT'S DONE AFTERWARDS. WE'RE WORKING ON IT CURRENTLY. OKAY. AND IT'S THEIR RECOMMENDATION. RIGHT. THIS GIVES THEM THE RECOMMENDATION AS THE BACKUP FOR THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP. BUT I THINK WHAT PART OF WHAT THE CITY WAS LOOKING AT IS OFFICIALLY ADOPTING THE PLAN, SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE ZONING, BECAUSE IT'S A SEPARATE ACTION. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANY TEETH, RIGHT? IT'S THE GUIDANCE, BUT IT'S NOT THE ACTUAL ZONING MAP CHANGE. GOT IT. OKAY. THE THE QUOTE TEETH IT HAS IS AT LEAST IT'S NOT A BLANK SLATE. YOU'VE GOT SOMETHING TO SAY. IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THAT'S THE DISCUSSION. WHAT'S THE REASON TO COME BACK TO THE ZONE. YEAH. CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN OVER TO JENNIFER AND GO TO SOME SPECIFIC LOCATIONS AND EXAMPLES. AND WE'LL SAY IT'S A WORK IN PROGRESS. BUT THESE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU. SO I WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON SOME OF THESE. I HAVE 100 ACRES OF INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX RIGHT NOW. SO SOME OF THESE LIKE THIS IS THE FIRST ONE THAT WE SAW SO FAR. AND AS GARY MENTIONED, THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES THAT WE NOTICED ON OUR FIRST PASS OF LOOKING AT THE MAP. THIS IS IN NORTH EDINBURGH. THE AIRPORT SOUTH TEXAS INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, IT'S PART OF IT IS IN AN INDUSTRIAL AT THE MOMENT, BUT NOT THE WHOLE THING. SO WE'RE JUST RECOMMENDING THAT IT GO AHEAD AND BE CLEANED UP AND PUT INDUSTRIAL IN THAT SECTION. AND THEN FOR THE REGIONAL DISPOSAL FACILITY THAT'S OVER JUST NORTH OF 2812. SO NEAR 20 MILE 25 NORTH AND EAST OF I-69. SEE YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF IT IS AGRICULTURE. SO GOING AHEAD AND CLEANING THAT UP AS WELL AND PUTTING IT ALL AS THE INDUSTRIAL SINCE IT'S ALL PART OF THAT REGIONAL DISPOSAL FACILITY. AND THEN JUST SOUTH OF 2812 AND NORTH OF EAGLE ROAD, THERE'S ONE LITTLE COMMERCIAL SPOT. [00:15:03] IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE IT, BUT IT'S DOWN WHERE THAT ARROW IS. AND WE WERE RECOMMENDING THAT SINCE RIGHT NOW IT'S VACANT LAND. GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT INDUSTRIAL SO THAT IT'S CLEAN. CLEAN IT UP. ALL THAT GREEN AREA IS BASICALLY GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL, IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THAT'S WHAT ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS. SINCE IF IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT THE MAP THERE YOU CAN SEE THAT HOW FAR NORTH IT GOES. INDUSTRIAL. HOW FAR IT GOES A LITTLE BIT MORE SOUTH ALL THE WAY EVEN SOUTH OF ENGLE ROAD. AND THEN, I MEAN, IT GOES QUITE A BIT, ALMOST ALL THE WAY UP TO I-69C REALLY JUST IT'S THAT LITTLE BIT OF COMMERCIAL THERE ALONG 69 WHICH, WHICH MAKES SENSE, BUT IT KIND OF ALMOST MAKES SENSE JUST TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT ALL INDUSTRIAL. SO THAT'S ONE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE TYPICALLY ON A FUTURE LAND USE MAP, IT'S BROADER, IT'S MORE GENERALIZED THAN THE ZONING MAP BEING VERY PARCEL BY PARCEL. SO WE TRY TO NOT HAVE LITTLE SPOTS OF A DIFFERENT USE. YOU KNOW, THIS IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE PREDOMINANT USE IN AN AREA. SO THIS AREA IS GENERALLY AN INDUSTRIAL AREA WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS. BUT THAT WOULD BE THE DISCUSSION IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION ON THE ZONING SIDE, YOU GO BACK TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND SAY, IS THERE A REASON TO TO NOT HAVE INDUSTRIAL LONG TERM IN PARTS OF THIS AREA, MAYBE AROUND THE EDGES, BUT WE TRY TO AVOID JUST SPOTS OF A SINGLE DIFFERENT CATEGORY. AND WE'LL RUN INTO A COUPLE OTHER EXAMPLES OF THAT THAT WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE. THIS ONE IS NORTHWEST EDINBURGH, SO NEAR AND WEST OF I-69C. THERE IS CURRENTLY WHERE YOU SEE THAT ONE. WE CLIPPED IN A LITTLE IMAGE OF THAT AREA. IT LOOKS TO BE A SCHOOL GOOGLE MAPS. I COULDN'T WE COULDN'T ZOOM IN THERE AND AND VERIFY, BUT IT APPEARS TO BE A SCHOOL THERE ON ONE RIGHT NOW IT'S ZONED AS AGRICULTURE. SO WE'RE THINKING POTENTIALLY THE ONES AND THEN THE ZEROS, THEY'RE ALL IN GREEN. THE AGRICULTURE COULD BE AUTO URBAN. AND THEN ALL THAT PURPLE AREA RIGHT NOW IS PART OF THAT CAMP, LOMA DE VIDA, WHICH IS THE, THE CHURCH. SO HAVING KIND OF THAT AUTO URBAN KIND OF CHARACTER AS WELL. AND IT'S AND IT'S INDUSTRIAL RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW, THE LAND FUTURE LAND USE IS SHOWING IT AS INDUSTRIAL. YES. YEAH. YEAH. AND THEN ON THE NEXT PAGE, YOU'LL SEE A NORTHEAST EDINBURG. THIS IS SOUTH OF FM 2812 AND THEN EAST OF I-69C. IT'S WHERE THAT ONE IS. THERE'S AN IMAGE THERE TO THE LEFT. AND THAT'S THE DON HUGO PRODUCE FACILITY. AND SO WITH IT BEING ALREADY INDUSTRIAL AND IT LOOKS IT'S RELATIVELY NEW. SO WE WERE RECOMMENDING WITH THE INDUSTRIAL THERE JUST ADJACENT PERHAPS GOING AHEAD AND MAKING THAT ALL THAT AGRICULTURE SPACE THERE, ONE AND TWO AS INDUSTRIAL. AND THAT'S IN THE CITY LIMITS NOW. YES, THEY GOT ANNEX. THAT WHOLE AREA IS GREAT FOR TRUCK STOPS AND INDUSTRIAL PACKING SHEDS. THAT WHOLE 2812 AND 281, IT'S A VERY GOOD AREA FOR INDUSTRIAL AND THE WHOLE CORRIDOR GOING NORTH. AND SO THIS IS THE EXAMPLE THAT WAS NEAR LETTY THAT I WAS MENTIONING EARLIER. THIS IS NORTHWEST EDINBURG. SO JUST SOUTH OF THE CHURCH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT A MOMENT AGO. THIS IS SOUTH OF INGLE AND WEST OF 69 I-69C. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS THIS LITTLE POCKET OF SUBURBAN AREA WITH ONE AUTO URBAN PARCEL AND ONE GENERAL COMMERCIAL PARCEL SINCE WE'VE GOTTEN SO MANY REQUESTS ON THAT ORANGE STREET, BECAUSE IT'S TOTALLY MIXED WITH THERE'S LIKE LITTLE BUSINESSES IN THERE, THERE'S LIKE AN AMBULANCE SERVICE THERE. THERE'S A LADY THAT USED TO COME OVER AND SHE HAS GOT ONE. A FEW MONTHS AGO WE SAW IT LIKE TWO TWO TIMES AGO, LIKE A GRINDING PLACE WHERE THEY DO METAL WORK AND IRON WORKS. YEAH, YEAH, IT'S A WELDING SHOP. YEAH. SO YEAH, THIS WAS ALL ANNEXED INTO THE CITY. IT WAS COUNTY BEFORE, SO THEY DID WHATEVER THEY WANTED. WANTED TO. LET ME ASK YOU, DOES THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, DOES THIS ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD ABOUT THE DUPLEX AND THE FOURPLEXES? BECAUSE IN A LOT OF THESE SUBDIVISIONS, JUST LIKE THIS ONE, YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WANTING TO SPLIT A HOUSE DOWN THE MIDDLE AND DO MAKING IT A DUPLEX. I THINK THAT'S MORE THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT. YEAH. BUT THAT'S LIKE ONE IN THE BACK THAT'S LIKE ONE IN THE BACK OR. NO, IT COULD BE ATTACHED. YOU CAN HAVE TWO THAT ARE ATTACHED. [00:20:03] THEY'RE ON THE SAME METER. AS LONG AS THEY'RE ON THE SAME WATER METER AND THE ELECTRICAL METER. OH THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. YEAH OKAY. BUT BUT THIS DOESN'T THIS DOESN'T SOLVE THAT ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING AT PLANNING AND ZONING. WELL, IT WOULD HELP BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE OUR GUIDE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT APARTMENTS FIT IN A CERTAIN AREA. OKAY. WELL, I THINK LIKE THE BIG ISSUE IS OF COURSE, PROPERTIES AROUND THE UNIVERSITY. YOU KNOW, YOU SEE ALL THESE INVESTORS COMING IN AND AND THEY WANT TO THEY WANT TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY TO BUILD A DUPLEX NEAR THE UNIVERSITY BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM. AND, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INCOME COMING IN. BUT A LOT OF TIMES YOU HAVE A PROPERTY THEY WANT TO COME BUILD A DUPLEX ON. AND IT'S THERE'S HOUSES. YEAH. YOU HAVE MULTIFAMILY NEEDS TO BE 8000 OR 8000FT² AND SOMETIMES EIGHT FEET WIDE, AND THEY HAVE TO BE 80FT WIDE. AND SO THE OLD DOWNTOWN, YOU KNOW, TOWN SIDE IS 50 FOOT OR 40 FOOT, 50 BY 150 BY 100 BY 140. THEY ALMOST MAKE IT SQUARE FOOTAGE, 70 100FT². THEY MAKE IT ALMOST SQUARE FOOTAGE WISE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR A DUPLEX, THOUGH, YOU KNOW, AND AND THEY HAVE A STREET, THEY HAVE AN ALLEY IN THE BACK. SO YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE ENTRANCE FROM THE ALLEY, ONE ENTRANCE FROM THE ROAD, AND THAT DOES MAKE SENSE. WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL OF THOSE. AND IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THIS? WON'T HELP WITH THAT. WE CAN WORK WITH THOSE. LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ONE THAT CAME TO THE LAST MEETING, WE WE TALKED TO THEM AFTER THE MEETING AND WHAT THEY SAY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO A DUPLEX NOW. THEY WANT TO DO IT ON A SHIPPING CONTAINER. OKAY. BUT THEY STILL HAVE. OH NO. NO. NOW, NOW THEY'RE GETTING CRAZY. THEY'RE GETTING CREATIVE. YEAH. OUT OF TRASH CANS. YEAH. BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SOFT. WE'RE SOFT. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IT AGAIN. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO US AND SAY IT'S GOING TO BE. IF THEY WOULD HAVE PRESENTED IT AS A DUPLEX, WE WOULD HAVE PASSED IT. BUT THEY SAID IT WAS A FOURPLEX AND LIKE, WELL, IT DOESN'T PASS. THEY BLAMED IT ON YOU. THEY BLAMED IT ON YOU THOUGH. I HAVE NEVER DONE. I SAID THE STAFF TOLD THEM IT WAS. IT WAS TOO DENSE, TOO MUCH. I MEAN, TOO MANY UNITS FOR THAT LOT. I AGREE. YEAH. BUT IF THEY WOULD HAVE PRESENTED AS A DUPLEX, IT WOULD HAVE. WE WOULD HAVE, WE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED IT. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD THEM. WE RECOMMENDED THAT IT WAS MADE HER DO IT BECAUSE IT WAS SO CONDUCIVE FOR A FOURPLEX. SO I GUESS COULD YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT ZONING OR A DIFFERENT REQUIREMENT FOR DUPLEXES VERSUS FOURPLEXES? BECAUSE I KNOW OTHER CITIES DO, BUT IN THIS CITY A DUPLEX OR A FOURPLEX ARE ON THE SAME ZONING. YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S STILL CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. THE ONLY TIME YOU CONSIDER COMMERCIAL IS FIVE AND UP. NO, I'M SAYING MULTIFAMILY. WELL, YEAH, WE STILL CONSIDER MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL MULTIFAMILY A DUPLEX OR A FOURPLEX. AND WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT IT TO YOU CAN JUST DO A DUPLEX BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT. EXACTLY. IS THAT A WAY TO DO THAT? NOT WITH THIS UNIFIED PLAN. OKAY. WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING DISTRICTS. YEAH, THIS JUST HAPPENED. THIS OUR LAST MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO. IT HAPPENS FREQUENTLY. I AGREE. I'LL WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO DO EIGHT UNITS ON A ON ONE OF THESE SIZED LOTS? NO RIGHT TO COME BEFORE US. WE HAVE TO HEAR IT. WE HAVE TO DECLINE IT. IT'S KIND OF. IS IT GOING TO BE A TALL BUILDING? AND THAT'S WHAT WE TOLD THEM. WE TOLD THEM TO BE TWO STORIES. WHY NOT? BECAUSE HE WANTS TO DO A TWO STORY BUILDING WITH EACH. EACH UNIT IS A SINGLE BEDROOM. SO INSTEAD OF HAVING A FOURPLEX, HE'S HAVING AN EIGHT PLEX. BUT WE DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY. I MEAN, WE SEE IT AS THE NUMBER OF UNITS, NOT THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. RIGHT. WELL, JUST ALONE, YOU KNOW, 8 TO 10 PARKING SPACES. I MEAN, IT'S INSANE. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH SPACE. YOU HAVE TO TELL THEM. HEY, YOU'RE SMOKING SOMETHING. YOU NEED TO. YEAH. IN THIS CASE, THEY'RE PROPOSING PARKING AN ENGINEER AND THEIR PARKING LOTS IS BACKING OUT INTO THE STREET. I MEAN, WE DON'T ALLOW THAT. YEAH. OH, YEAH. YEAH. I'M, LIKE, TOTALLY GETTING OFF OF MELVIN. BELLI WILL SET THEM STRAIGHT. KELLY WILL WORK SOME MAGIC, JENNIFER. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY LISTEN. NO, NO, NONE OF THIS IS OFF TOPIC. THIS IS ALL. WELL, SHE'S LOOKING AT US LIKE, NO, NO, NO I'M NOT. SHE'S JUST LIKE, I'M STILL HERE ON SUBURBAN AND DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DOING QUESTION AND ANSWER. MY NEXT QUESTION IS ETJ DOES THIS DO I WANT TO GO BACK TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, THOUGH, BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING. SO MUCH OF THE COUNTRY IS TRYING TO DEAL WITH THAT. PLACES WHERE THE ZONING ONLY ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES AND APARTMENT COMPLEXES, AND NOT MUCH HAPPENS IN BETWEEN. OKAY, SO YOU'VE GOT THAT HAPPENING. WHAT I THINK THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS BRINGING FORWARD IS THE WATER ISSUE. THAT'S WHERE DENSITY HAS TO BE WATCHED, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WATER IN THE NEAR TERM UNTIL SOME ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE CAN CATCH UP. OKAY. SO IN OUR CASE, SEWER CAPACITY IS BOTH POOR WATER PRESSURE. AND THERE'S A NEW PLANT COMING IN THE NEW TOWER. SO THAT'S THAT'S HELPING. WELL, IT'LL JUST GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. YEAH. JUST IN THAT WE'RE STILL BACK TO TREADING WATER. WE'RE NOT SINKING. LITERALLY. OKAY. YEAH. WOW. OKAY. [00:25:02] WELL, BOND SOME MONEY. ETJ TAXES. ETJ. QUESTION. YEAH. ETJ QUESTION. SO I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE MAYOR AND I DON'T KNOW, STAFF MAYBE KNOWS YOU KNOW ABOUT THE ONE MILE ETJ VERSUS THE THREE. THE THREE AND A HALF. OH, DOES THAT GET ADDRESSED IN HERE AT THE NEXT SESSION IN AUSTIN, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLY ELIMINATING ALL ETJ. YEAH, THAT'S THE RUMOR. OKAY. THERE'S BEEN BILLS IN RECENT IN THE PREVIOUS SESSIONS TO ELIMINATE ETJ ENTIRELY. SO. OKAY, OKAY. WHICH WILL BE INTERESTING BECAUSE. WELL, THERE SHOULD BE SOME KIND OF CONTROL FOR A CITY WITHIN THE ONE MILE, BECAUSE THAT'S FORESEEABLE. IN THE NEXT FUTURE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU'RE GOING TO GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO ANNEX IT OR YOU WILL ANNEX IT. BUT ANYTHING PAST THAT THREE MILES OR FIVE MILES, YOU KNOW, IS A LITTLE OVERREACHING. IN THE OLD DAYS, CITIES CERTAINLY DID ANNEX THAT FAR OUT THOSE DAYS. ARE THEY GERRYMANDERED THEIR WAY? LOOK AT LOOK AT THE AIRPORT. YOU KNOW, LOOK AT LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE HERE. OKAY. SO THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T GET ADDRESSED HERE. NOT SO MUCH. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN WILL GO OUT INTO THE ETJ. BUT YOU'LL YOU'LL ZONE SOME IN, YOU KNOW, FOR FUTURE. SO CURRENTLY THREE ARE WE CURRENTLY THREE, THREE AND A HALF, THREE, THREE AND A HALF, THREE AND A HALF AND A FIVE MILE OVERALL. BUT WE DON'T ENFORCE THAT THREE AND A HALF. OH, SO DID THE CITY ACTUALLY PETITION THE STATE OF TEXAS AND GOT THEIR APPROVAL TO HAVE A FIVE MILE ETJ? NO. IF YOU'RE A BORDER CITY, NO. BORDERS COUNTY CITIES AND BORDER COUNTIES HAVE A FIVE MILE ETJ BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE COLONIA THING. OKAY, BUT MOST CITIES, ESPECIALLY LIKE EDINBURG AND IN THE AREA, THEY DON'T ENFORCE THINGS BETWEEN THE THREE AND A HALF AND THE FIVE, THE FIVE GOT ESTABLISHED BECAUSE OF THE BORDER COLONIA SITUATION. SO ARE YOU TELLING ME, LIKE RIO HONDO HAS A FIVE MILE ETJ? IN THEORY, YEAH. DOES IT MEAN THEY DO ANYTHING WITH IT? BUT. BUT YES. THE WAY THE CODE READS IS BECAUSE IT'S A BORDER COUNTY. THEY THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE A FIVE MILE UNLESS THERE'S LIKE A LARGER CITY NEARBY. GOT IT. RIO HONDO HAS ZERO ETJ, BY THE WAY. YEAH. I'M BUILDING ONE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND YOU'RE FINE. I WAS ACTUALLY I'M ON, I'M ON JUST JUST WEST OF THE BRIDGE. AND IT'S ACTUALLY HARLINGEN ETJ. IT'S SO FAR AWAY. I OPTED OUT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO YOU ALL NEED? YOU STICK YOUR NOSE OUT OVER HERE FOR ME. OKAY. SORRY I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. NO, NO. KEEP GOING, KEEP GOING, KEEP THEM COMING. SO ON THIS ONE, IT'S NORTH AND SOUTH OF ORANGE. WHETHER IT SHOULD BE POTENTIALLY ALL SUBURBAN OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE CHANGED TO INDUSTRIAL, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED GETTING SOME CASES ON THAT. SO I DON'T WHAT ARE PEOPLE THINKING INDUSTRIAL IN THE FIRST PLACE? EXPLAIN THAT. THE REASON IS SO ON THAT LEFT HAND SIDE ON THE TOP LEFT THERE, YOU SEE THAT IT GOES EVEN BEYOND WAY NORTH OF ENGLE. AND THEN QUITE A BIT SOUTH. THAT'S THAT. I HAVE IT ON ANOTHER SLIDE. IT'S THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK UP THERE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, GOING AHEAD AND JUST BECAUSE ALL THAT IS PREDOMINANTLY INDUSTRIAL ALREADY GOING AHEAD AND MAKING IT INDUSTRIAL. I THINK THIS WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE ANOMALIES THAT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO FIX, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES IN THERE, AND THEY'RE RIGHT NEXT TO A LITTLE BUSINESS. THE AMBULANCE GUY THAT JAIME WAS TALKING ABOUT AND THE LADY WITH HER METAL CUTTING OR WAS IT WELDER? WELDER. IT'S NOT A WELDING SHOP, BUT IT'S LIKE A SHE'S LIKE A SHE HAS LIKE METAL LATHES AND ALL THESE KIND OF THINGS FOR MACHINE METAL MACHINE SHOP. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND SO THEY'VE GOT ALL. IT'S A TRUE MIX IN THERE. AND IT'S ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE BECAUSE THEN SOMEBODY COMES AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, I GUESS YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME LEEWAY IN THERE BECAUSE THAT WHOLE STREET'S JUST A MIX AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF ISSUES. BUT I MEAN, MY VOTE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF IT IS GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL ALL THE WAY AROUND, WHICH WHICH MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, IT'S SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF IF, LET'S SAY, THE CITY DOES CHANGE IT TO INDUSTRIAL. THAT WHOLE SECTION ON ORANGE WITH HOMES IN THERE, WHAT IS IT CURRENTLY ZONED. ARE THEY GRANDFATHERED IN? MR. ESTHERVILLE. DO YOU KNOW WHAT? I'D HAVE TO PULL IT UP. I DON'T KNOW IT OFFHAND, BUT WHAT I SEE THAT'S PURPLE RIGHT NOW. WHAT IS CURRENTLY ZONED INDUSTRIAL IS INDUSTRIAL. OH, IT ALREADY IS INDUSTRIAL. YEAH. THE BROWN IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE YELLOW. YOU SEE THAT BUILDING THERE? OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE PURPLE IS ALREADY INDUSTRIAL? YEAH. YES. LIKE ON THE MAPS RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING IT UP. OKAY. I'M JUST CURIOUS. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS ADDED ON 60 60 BROWN? BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE WRONG PAGE. YEAH, IT'S THE TOP ONE. IT'S THE TOP ONE. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. WHERE THE YELLOWS. YEAH. I'M JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE, I MEAN, WHAT'S GOING TO END UP HAPPENING IS IF IT IS INDUSTRIAL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS, PACKING SHEDS, WHATEVER. AMAZON. AMAZON. YES, YES, I TRIED, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE ALL THE [00:30:02] DEPARTMENTS AND SO THAT'LL BE APARTMENT SLASH LIKE LIGHT LIGHT COMMERCIAL STUFF. THIS WAS ON ORANGE. SO CITIES TAKE DIFFERENT APPROACHES. THIS I MEAN THIS IS FUTURE LAND USE MAP. EVEN IF YOU CHANGE THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE STILL LIVING, PEOPLE STILL HAVE HOMES TO INDUSTRIAL. YOU MIGHT NOT ZONE IT THAT WAY RIGHT AWAY. MAYBE SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE. FUTURE. YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT FUTURE LAND USE WOULD WOULD PRODUCE. DO PEOPLE COME IN TO DEVELOP IN THERE? THIS HELPS GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE, AND THIS MIGHT BE SOME OF THE SITUATIONS YOU'RE HITTING RIGHT WHERE THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, MY NEIGHBOR DOES THIS AND YOU'RE LIKE, YES. YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY MAKING CHANGES. YOU'RE JUST YOU'RE NOT CHANGING WHAT IS ACTUALLY ZONED OF OF WHAT THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE IN THE FUTURE, SOMETIMES BENEFICIAL AND SOMETIMES HARDER FOR A DEVELOPER OR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND SAY, I BOUGHT 20 ACRES IN THIS PURPLE THING, AND I WANT TO BUILD SOMETHING I HAD MENTIONED AT THE LAST AND THIS IS WAY BACK WHEN. RIGHT? WHEN JUAN LOPEZ WAS HERE. BUT LIKE EVERYTHING WITH THIS, WITHIN THIS AREA, LIKE THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY IS UNIVERSITY, NORTHERN IS, LET'S SAY JUNIOR AND 10TH. AND THE UNIVERSITY, ALL THOSE ORIGINAL TOWN SITE LOTS FOR FUTURE USE COULD BE ON A 50 BY 140. YOU CAN PUT A TRIPLEX ON AND THAT'S WHAT YOU COULD USE. THERE'S SOME, THERE'S SOME, THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF AND YOU KNOW THEY TALKED ABOUT WELL WE'RE NEXT TO UNIVERSITY. HIGHEST AND BEST USE WOULD MAYBE BE MULTIFAMILY I AGREE VERSUS RESIDENTIAL I AGREE. OR EVEN A DUPLEX WHATEVER WORKS. SMALL TOWN SITES NEED TO BE SLOWLY CHANGED OVER TO DUPLEXES. THAT'S WHY WE KEEP SEEING IT AND WE KEEP. AND SO THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. NEAR TERM IS AN AREA IN TRANSITION. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT THAT'S THEIR HOME. THAT'S WHERE THEY LIVE. WHAT DO YOU MAKE THE CHANGE ON THE MAP FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE YOU'RE SAYING DOWN THE ROAD LONG TERM WE SEE THIS AREA TRANSITIONING TO IN THIS CASE, IS IT INDUSTRIAL? BUT IN THE MEANTIME, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO BE THERE. IT'S THE ON THE ZONING SIDE. SO SO THE OTHER EXAMPLE IS, IS FREDDIE. FREDDIE AND AND 10TH STREET. I GREW UP IN THAT AREA. USED TO BE ALL RESIDENTIAL, BUT BUT IF YOU GO UP AND DOWN AND IF ISIL OR IF SOMEBODY BUYS THERE, THE POSSIBILITY IS THAT WE CAN SWITCH TO COMMERCIAL. SO YOU HAVE OCHOA'S OCHOA'S PHARMACY, YOU HAVE GILBERT ENGINEERS. ENGINEERING. YEAH. REAL DELTA INSURANCE. AND THAT'S HOW THAT'S HOW IT SLOWLY WORKS. SO BUT FOR THE FUTURE, THAT'S HOW THIS APPLIES HERE, [A. Presentation and Discussion on the Comprehensive Plan – Kendig Keast Collaborative] I THINK. SO LET ME ASK JENNIFER A QUESTION. YOU HAVE A QUESTION MARK BETWEEN THOSE SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A DECISION. OR IS THIS SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PROPOSE? AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT IT THAT WAY OR IT'S GOING TO COME BACK TO US THAT WAY. WE WE ARE SHOWING YOU EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS WITH STAFF AND KIND OF SEE WHERE WE END UP TO PUT A PROPOSED MAP TOGETHER THAT THEN GOES THROUGH PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, JUST A DISCUSSION AND REVIEWING AND GIVING INPUT. YEAH. IN MY OPINION, FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU ARE MAKING THIS WANTING TO MAKE THIS ALL INDUSTRIAL, IT'S A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL. WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE CITY ONLY WINNING INDUSTRIAL IN THEIR LITTLE PARK THAT'S GONE OUT THE WINDOW? OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT. WE TRY TO KEEP IT ALONG THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDORS. IT'S EITHER GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL OR COMMERCIAL, BUT THEY KIND OF WERE FORCING EVERYBODY TO GO IN THERE AT SOME POINT WHERE THEY HAD INDUSTRIAL LONG TIME AGO, LONG BEFORE THIS. SO IF THAT IS GOING TO BE LIKE THAT, MY OPINION WOULD BE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE APARTMENTS IN THERE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EMPLOYEES THAT NEED TO WORK IN THE GENERAL AREA. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING AMAZON PACKING SHEDS IN THERE AND LIKE COMMERCIAL, THAT WHAT THAT WOULD TURN INTO ANY THE MAIN THING WE'RE TRYING TO GET RID OF IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT A FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND YOU SEE A COUPLE OF SPOTS OF COLOR, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? I MEAN THAT THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU GUIDANCE OF WHAT? I MEAN, THEY'RE THEY'RE SMALL LITTLE LOTS. I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT ALL PURPLE, I GUESS, RIGHT? BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO BUILD ANYTHING INDUSTRIAL ON THESE TINY LITTLE LOTS. AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN OVER TIME TOO, IS LAND ASSEMBLY. YEAH. SOME GUY'S GOING TO BUY FIVE OF THESE THINGS TOGETHER. PUT THEM TOGETHER. OH, THAT'S A LONG TIME FOR THIS. LAND IS SO CHEAP OUT THERE. SO SO THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE IS WE LEAVE IT AS A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND YOU'VE GOT, QUOTE, NON-CONFORMING ACTIVITIES THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD HAPPENING. THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. RIGHT. SO YOU'RE CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE. IT'S A TRANSITION AREA AND LITTLE WELDING SHOP, LITTLE TIRE SHOPS, LITTLE SHOPS ARE GOING TO GO IN THERE. AND THE CITY SHOULD ALLOW THEM, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE SURROUNDED BY BIG, BIG, BIG, BIG BOXES OR INDUSTRIAL OR, I I DON'T KNOW, SEMI TRUCKS OR WHATEVER ELSE IS INDUSTRIAL, THEN THEY NEED LOTS OF LITTLE SHOPS AND SERVICES AND THE THE FRANK REALITY IS ONCE THAT HAS HAPPENED THAT THERE'S WELDING GOING ON NEXT TO A HOME AND THINGS PROLIFERATING, [00:35:03] HOPEFULLY FOLKS IN THAT AREA WILL GET AN OFFER TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY AND IT WON'T BE RESIDENTIAL. I AGREE. SO AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO FORCE THEM OUT, RIGHT? YEAH. BUT THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED THAT INTERIM SITUATION OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP MIGHT CHANGE TO INDUSTRIAL, BUT YOU DON'T ZONE IT INDUSTRIAL YET. YEAH. MAYBE GIVE IT SOME TIME. BUT IF YOU START GETTING INDIVIDUAL APPLICATIONS TO ZONE IT ALL DIFFERENT WAYS, YOU DON'T WANT THAT HAPPENING, RIGHT? YOU WANT SOMETHING, YOU GOT MORE CONTROL. THIS ONE THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A RULE. SO THEN YOU'RE SAYING IN THE CONFERENCE OF PLAN, MAKE IT PURPLE, MAKE IT INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LEANING. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LEANING BECAUSE IT'S SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL. AND THAT'S THE WHAT'S HAPPENING ALREADY. WELL BUT IT'S SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL BASE OFF OF THIS MAP. IT'S NOT CURRENTLY INDUSTRIAL. GOT IT, GOT IT. IS IT RIGHT? WELL, SO THIS IS THE ZONING MAP THAT'S UP ON THE SCREEN HERE. SO, I MEAN, THERE IS THAT BIG INDUSTRIAL PARK ON THE SOUTH SIDE. AND THEN YOU DO HAVE THESE AG LAND USES. SO IF I LIKE TURN, IF I TURN THIS OFF A LITTLE BIT, IT KIND OF IS A BETTER PICTURE SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHICH, WHICH IS THAT STREET, ANOTHER STREET. SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT, THAT'S ORANGE. THAT'S ORANGE. SO PUT THE COLORS BACK THERE. THAT'S IT. SO SO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE OF RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY'RE WANTING TO DO. MAKE IT ALL MORE PURPLE RIGHT. THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AND IT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND SO NOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP, IT SHOWS WHAT'S HAPPENED TO INDIVIDUAL. LOTS HAVE BEEN REZONED AND THE WHITE ONES HAVEN'T. DON'T HAVE A ZONING YET. THOSE ARE SUBURBAN LIKELIHOOD OF WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY SUBURBAN. THERE'S A HUGE THAT HUGE. I THINK THEY'RE OUT THERE. NO, YEAH. THERE'S NOTHING. THERE THEY ARE. OH, THAT'S IT RIGHT THERE. YEAH. IT'S FAMILIAR. OH, NO. BUT IT'S BEHIND THE VALERO THING. SO YOU HAVE THAT BIG THING, AND IT'S YEAH. TRY TO SELL A LOT TO SOMEBODY WHEN YOU GOT NEXT TO THAT OIL TANKS, WHICH AGAIN, GOES BACK TO THE INDUSTRIAL USE. RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO HERE WE'VE GOT A CASE OF THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS SAYING INDUSTRIAL FOR THIS BROADER AREA. BUT CURRENT ZONING TO THE NORTH IS RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. SO WHICH WAY IS THIS AREA GOING TO GO? LONG TERM. ORANGE AVENUE, OLD SANTA CRUZ TOWN. OKAY. OKAY, HERE WE GO. SO JUMPING TO THE NEXT ONE. IT'S IT'S PART OF THAT JUST SOUTH OF THERE, THE NORTH INDUSTRIAL PARK. SO RIGHT NOW IT IS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. URBAN. BUT THERE IS THAT ALREADY THAT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING OFF OF REPUBLIC. THAT'S IT'S IT'S HERE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN ZOOM IN HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. YEAH, GOOGLE EARTH WOULDN'T LET ME HOP DOWN TO THAT ROAD YET. SO IT'S THAT NEW BUILDING. BUILDING? YES. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU WANT? I THINK THEY'VE GOT A DEAL ON SOMEBODY GOING TO MOVE IN THERE. SUPPOSEDLY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. CURRENTLY IT'S URBAN. IT'S URBAN. SO THAT SHOULD BE INDUSTRIAL. THAT'S ALL THAT? YEAH, THAT SHOULD BE CHANGED, PERIOD. ALL OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE THINKING. AND THEN TO WHAT EXTENT? SO WOULD IT BE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT IF IT'S JUST GOING TO BE NORTH OF PALM OR WHETHER A LITTLE IS THERE ANYTHING IN HERE THAT, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, HEY, LOOK, LET'S MAKE THAT CHANGE NOW, LIKE THAT INDUSTRIAL PARK, IS IT, IS IT URBAN THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LITERALLY MAKE THE CHANGE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS TO MAKE CERTAIN ONES? YOU CAN SAY, LOOK, WE RECOMMEND THE CHANGE OVER NOW THE MAP, THEY JUST WANT YOUR INPUT AND THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. THESE CLIPS ARE FROM THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP. THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROPOSED NEW MAP THAT WOULD GO TO COUNCIL FOR THIS, FOR THEM TO FOR IT TO ADOPT, TO ACTUALLY ADOPT AS PART OF THE NEW ZONING, NOT NOT ZONING, BUT JUST THE PROPOSED THIS PROPOSED FUTURE LAND USE. WHAT ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT? THAT'S JUST TO THE EAST RIGHT THERE. IS THAT THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, CORRECT. IS THAT GOING TO BE PROPOSED TO PURPLE? NO NO, NO THAT STAYS. WOW. THAT'S GOING TO STICK OUT THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. THAT'S A TEXTILE. BUT THAT LOOKS LIKE AT LEAST 50 LOTS. I THINK IT'S VACANT. I THINK THAT BUILDING IS VACANT. OH, NO. NO, I'M MAYBE THINKING OF ANOTHER ONE. IS THAT IS THAT BUILT OR IS THAT JUST BUILT? I DON'T THINK IT'S BUILT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BUILT. NO, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THEY'RE JUST BUILDING IT RIGHT NOW. THAT ONE THAT THAT THAT THAT YELLOW ONE IS BEING BUILT RIGHT NOW. YEAH. IT SAYS AND CONSTRUCTION ON THE MAP. IT'S UNDER DEVELOPMENT. WOW. SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN BRAND NEW HOMES SURROUNDED BY SURROUNDED BY INDUSTRIAL. OH, WOW. SO THAT'S WHERE THEY LIVE. THE WORKERS. YEAH. THEY NEED EVERYBODY'S GOT A PLACE TO LIVE. THEY NEED A PLACE TO LIVE. THAT'S GOOD. YEAH. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE BROWNS CHANGING THE PURPLE? OKAY. RIGHT. CORRECT. SO THEN ON THE NEXT ONE THIS IS NORTHEAST EDINBURG, [00:40:06] NORTH OF DAVIS AND THEN EAST OF I-69C. THERE'S SOME UNDEVELOPED LAND. AND SO POTENTIALLY FILLING THOSE IN SO THAT IT HAS SIMILAR CHARACTER AUTO URBAN. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THERE'S THE AGRICULTURAL ONE ON THE, ON THE FAR EAST SIDE. OKAY. SO QUESTION FOR LIKE THAT, THAT PROPERTY THAT'S RED ON THAT SLIDE ON THE ONE YOU JUST HAD UP. SORRY. IT'S COMMERCIALLY ZONED. YEAH. THAT'S THE ONE WE HAD THAT ONE COME IN FOR APARTMENTS, CORRECT? YES. SO WOULD YOU ALL CHANGE THE ZONING TO THAT AS A CITY ONCE YOU KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE CHANGING, MOST OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ARE GOING TO BE FOR THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ZONED EG. OKAY. RECENTLY ANNEXED PROPERTIES THAT ARE STILL ZONED EG. IF SOMEBODY PAID FOR A COMMERCIAL REZONING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE IT FOR THEM. SO THAT'S GOING TO STAY AS IS. IT WOULD BE NICE TO GET EVERYTHING CHANGED IN ONE FELL SWOOP. OF COURSE. THE NEXT ONE IS IN NORTHWEST EDINBURG, JUST NORTH OF MONTE CRISTO AND EAST AND WEST OF JACKSON. SO THERE ARE THESE TWO EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE BETWEEN BIG FIVE ROAD AND MONARCH AND THEN BETWEEN GRAND CARE AND JACKSON. SO LEAVING THOSE OR MAKING THOSE WHAT THEY ARE SO AUTO URBAN AND THEN POTENTIALLY FILLING IN THE GAPS. SO LOOKING AT MAYBE HAVING AUTO URBAN BETWEEN BIG FIVE AND THEN JACKSON AND THEN EVERYTHING EAST OF JACKSON BEING INDUSTRIAL AND THEN HAVING SOME MAYBE LARGER PARCELS WITH COMMERCIAL ALONG THE FRONTAGE SINCE THAT'S KIND OF HOW IT IS JUST SOUTH OF MONTE CRISTO. SO SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL ON A GOOD SECTION, GOING FROM BIG FIVE ALL THE WAY EAST TO THE EXPRESSWAY. IT ALREADY IS. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. SO DO WE WANT TO CHANGE IT? TO WHAT? SO THIS PART THIS IS AUTO URBAN RIGHT HERE. IF YOU CAN SEE THE CURSOR HERE BETWEEN BIG FIVE AND MACK. AND THEN IT ALSO HAS A RESIDENTIAL BETWEEN RIO. RIO GRANDE AND CARE AND NORTH JACKSON. SO THERE'S ALREADY THERE. IT'S ONLY THESE TWO LARGE PARCELS THAT ARE VACANT. NO, THAT ARE VACANT. SO WE WERE THINKING POTENTIALLY HAVING COMMERCIAL ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND THEN IT COULD BE ALL COMMERCIAL SINCE THEY ARE VERY LARGE PARCELS, OR IT COULD BE TO WHERE THE FRONTAGE HAS COMMERCIAL AND THEN AUTO URBAN IN THE, IN THE BACK PART OF IT. SO AND THEN FOR THE INDUSTRIAL, EVERYTHING EAST OF NORTH JACKSON ROAD. AND IT'S REALLY JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT EASEMENT RIGHT THERE THAT KIND OF NORTH SOUTH THAT HAS THAT JOG UP JUST NORTHEAST OF THAT. SO POTENTIALLY MAKING ALL THAT INDUSTRIAL. YEAH. WELL, NOT SURE HOW COMMERCIALIZED. I MEAN, INDUSTRIAL MAKES SENSE BECAUSE, I MEAN, ESSENTIALLY YOU HAVE THOSE POWER PLANTS FROM MAGIC VALLEY ELECTRIC THERE ON THE CORNER OF MCCALL AND, AND AND MONTECRISTO ROAD. AND THEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER LARGE ONE TO THE EAST OF THAT, I THINK, JUST EAST OF JACKSON. BETWEEN JACKSON AND SUGAR. SO YEAH, THIS HAS BEEN INTERESTING THIS WEEK. OKAY. WHAT IS THIS? AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS IN NORTH EAST EDINBURGH, NORTH OF RODGERS AND EAST OF CESAR CHAVEZ. RIGHT NOW IT IS OTTO URBAN. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE SOUTH PARCEL THAT'S AGRICULTURE. SO EITHER MAYBE MAKING THEM BOTH AUTO URBAN, IF THAT'S WHAT THAT IS, OR SINCE IT IS ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY LIMITS JUST WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, AND SINCE THEY'RE SUBURBAN RIGHT NEXT TO IT, GOING AHEAD AND, AND MAKING THAT ALL SIMILAR CHARACTER AND KEEPING THE SUBURBAN IS WHAT WE'RE INITIALLY THINKING. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GOING TO BE DOING SUBURBAN ANYMORE. AND I WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIGGER LOT. I MEAN, I THINK EVERYTHING WE DO IS NOW AUTO URBAN, WHICH IS SMALLER FIVE 6000 RESIDENTIAL PRIMARY SINCE IT'S THE GOLF COURSE. YEAH. WE TALKED TODAY WITH THE COMMITTEE THAT PROBABLY THE ONLY PLACE YOU MAY GET LARGE LOTS IS LIKE A CNA WHERE IT'S A MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT. AND THEY DO SOME LARGE LOT OVER HERE AND THEY OFFSET IT WITH SMALL LOTS OVER HERE. CORRECT. CORRECT. YEAH. BUT JUST WITH LAND PRICES AND WHERE THINGS ARE GOING, THE MARKET, THE MARKET, THE MARKET. YEAH. YEAH THAT'S FINE. YEAH. THE OTHER REASON TO DO LARGER LOTS SOMETIMES IS, [00:45:01] IS INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT. SO YEAH THERE'S NO SEWER. YOU GOT TO DO HALF ACRES AND BIGGER. BUT YOU KNOW UNLESS YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, CIMARRON GOLF COURSE, YOU'RE YOU'RE THERE'S NO WATER CAPACITY. THERE'S NO WATER CAPACITY. YOU'RE NOT DEVELOPING. YOU'RE NOT GETTING ANYTHING. IS THERE LINES OUT THERE? DO THEY HAVE WATER OR SEWER OR SEWER OR SEWER AND WATER? I THINK IT'S SEWER. YEAH. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE GOLF COURSE, THERE'S GOLF COURSE. CITY OF EDINBURGH. OH, I BUILT 400 LOTS JUST RIGHT HERE ON ALAMO AND GOT THE ROAD EXTENDED. THAT'S THAT. PDP 24, 25 AND 26. IT'S GOT A LOT OF SEWER. I'M SORRY TO HEAR THE GOLF COURSE. OH, THIS ONE WE'RE WE'RE NORTH ALAMO. OKAY. THE NEXT ONE IS IN CENTRAL EDINBURGH. THIS IS SOUTH OF CHAPIN AND THEN WEST OF 281. THERE'S THIS ONE PARCEL HERE THAT IS GENERAL COMMERCIAL, SURROUNDED AGAIN BY INDUSTRIAL. SO JUST WITH THIS SHAPE OF THE THE LOT HERE POTENTIALLY CONSIDERING IT TO BE INDUSTRIAL. IT'S VACANT RIGHT NOW AS WELL WITH THAT LITTLE BIT OF A COMMERCIAL. I MEAN, SORRY, AN INDUSTRIAL PARCEL THERE ON THAT NORTHEAST CORNER. THAT MAKES SENSE. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE TO THE LAST SLIDE REALLY QUICK. JUST YOU WERE SAYING. SO THE YELLOW IS THE BIGGER LOTS RIGHT? YES. AND THE MONTE CRISTO GOLF COURSE HAS THOSE BIGGER LOTS. THAT'S WHY IT'S ZONED LIKE THAT. BECAUSE IT'S. I DON'T THINK SO. WHEN IT'S A GOLF COURSE SUBDIVISION, IT'S PUT IN SUBURBAN BECAUSE OF THE OPENNESS. YOU KNOW, YOU GOT HOMES ON A GOLF COURSE AND FAIRWAYS AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU WANT TO YOU WOULD WANT TO MAKE THE PROPERTY NEXT TO IT. ALSO THE SAME ZONING. YEAH. I MEAN NOT JUST GOES BACK 20 YEARS. IT WAS SHOWN A SUBURBAN 20 YEARS AGO. THAT'S YEAH, IT IS NOW. IT'S SUBURBAN NOW. SO THE ONLY ONE THEY'RE RECOMMENDING CHANGING IS THE TWO PIECES, THE GREEN AND THE ORANGE NEXT TO IT. OH, GOD. OKAY. YEAH. BOTH OF THOSE SHOULD BE AUTO URBAN THEN THE ORANGE. BUT I WAS SAYING, EVEN LIKE THESE LARGE YELLOWS, IS THAT REALISTIC TODAY? LIKE, NO, NO, THAT SHOULD ALSO BE IN MY OPINION. YEAH. IF YOU CAN MAKE THAT ORANGE THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE, THAT'S GOING TO TURN INTO ONE BIG SUBDIVISION NEXT TO A GOLF COURSE. YEAH. NONE OF IT'S ON. 1925 ON MONTE CRISTO. IT'S A GREAT AREA. IT'S A COLONIAL BUILDING. AS SOON AS YOU GET OUT OF HERE, I TRIED, ACTUALLY, THEY'RE NOT SO MUCH, BUT SOMEBODY WILL. AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY WILL PROPOSE SEVERAL TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS OF THE PROPOSED TOWNHOMES IN THAT AREA. YEAH. BUT REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE OF THE THE EASEMENT THAT THERE IS ON THE SITE. IS ALSO GOING TO BE FOR THE DRAINAGE WHERE IT IS. YEAH. THERE'S A IT'S A 1897. YEAH. YEAH, YEAH. SO THERE'S SOME HIGH TRANSMISSION POWER LINES THERE. YEAH YEAH YEAH. JUST A FEW MORE. I PROMISE. HOLD ON. THE RED ONE. YOU WERE SAYING THAT THIS ONE GENERAL COMMERCIAL SHOULD BE CHANGED TO INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? YES. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. THE NEXT ONE IN WEST EDINBURGH, THIS IS AGAIN NEAR THE CITY LIMIT LINE. THIS IS NORTH OF 107 AND WEST OF 10TH STREET. SO IT'S RIGHT NOW IT'S MOSTLY AVAILABLE LAND. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAS AS AGRICULTURE. SO THINKING THAT THERE'S ALREADY ONE PARCEL HERE. THE SECOND ONE FROM THE NORTH COMING DOWN THAT'S AUTO URBAN. SO MAKING ALL JUST THAT AUTO URBAN. TRACK NUMBER SIX ON THE BOTTOM. NOISE TRACK THAT ON THE CORNER OF DEPOT AND 107. THAT SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL. YEAH. OKAY. YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT FRED LOYA ONE TRACK AWAY. IT'S ACTUALLY THE WHOLE THAT WHOLE CORNER. BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S NOT. IT'S ONLY HALF IN THE CITY LIMITS IS WHAT I'M SAYING HERE. IT'S ONE BIG PIECE. IT'S LIKE 40 ACRES. HE WANTS A PRETTY PENNY FOR IT, BUT. OH, YEAH. CUT DOWN THE MIDDLE. CUT DOWN THE MIDDLE. THIS ONE? THIS ONE SHOULD BE COMMERCIAL. IT'S A HARD CORNER ON IT. YES. I'M SORRY. COMMERCIAL ALONG 107. AND THEN WE WERE THINKING THE REST TO BE AUTO URBAN. OH, YEAH? YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT WILL ALL BE. IT IS ALREADY AUTO URBAN. THERE'S A BUNCH OF HOUSES ON THE FUTURE LAND USE. IT HAS IT AS AGRICULTURE. SO THAT'S WHY. JUST MAKING IT MATCH. YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT OTHER PIECE WOULD COME IN THE CITY IF IT DEVELOPS. OH, YEAH. IT'S ALL ONE BIG PIECE. WOULD IT BE AUTO, URBAN OR SUBURBAN? BECAUSE THOSE ARE LARGER TRACKS, AREN'T THEY? WELL, IT'S THIS DISCUSSION OF DO WE SHOW MUCH SUBURBAN WOULDN'T SHOW MUCH SUBURBAN ANYWAY. THERE'S LIKE MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DOING IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT SUBURBAN HAS TO [00:50:06] BE A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT, WHEN IS THE LAST TIME WE'VE SEEN A 15,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT? YEAH, BUT ALL THOSE TRACKS ARE MORE PROBABLY MORE THAN 15,000FT². WELL, I AGREE, BUT I THINK WHEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY IT, HOPE IT'S GOING TO BE ALL OVER COMMERCIAL IN THE FRONT, RIGHT? SO, SO. AND EVENTUALLY, MAYBE THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE SOMEONE FROM COMING IN AND MAKING THAT THAT REQUEST AND US AGREEING TO IT ON A CASE BY CASE. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK I LIKE THE IDEA OF JUST KEEPING IT WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE GOING. AND THEN AS, AS PEOPLE START COMING, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE CAN'T GUESS WHAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DO WITH IT, RIGHT? AND IT'S A GUIDE ANYWAY. SO I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO TOO MUCH INTO THE MINUTIA OF IT AND TRY TO MAKE SOME SPECIFIC LITTLE CHANGES. BUT AS A GUIDE, IT'S NOT GOING TO STAND FIRM. IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, EVEN THIS, EVEN THE STAFF WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND AN APPROVAL IF IT'S ALREADY HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION. SO AND LET ME ASK YOU ON 107. MY OFFICE IS JUST DOWN AND I WHAT ABOUT DOING COMMERCIAL LIKE LIKE SOMEBODY WANTS SEMI TRUCKS. THAT HAS TO BE INDUSTRIAL. HAS TO BE INDUSTRIAL. IT HAS TO BE. YEAH. AND NOT DOING ANY INDUSTRIAL ON 107 AT ALL. THAT'S NOT THE CITY'S ENVISIONING. I DON'T THINK SO. STAY BY THE HIGHWAY. STATE BY THE HIGHWAY. AS CLOSE AS YOU CAN. YEAH. OKAY. I LIKE THAT, TOO. AND YOU START PUSHING THEM OVER TO THE SIDES. BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME IN FROM TOWN TO GET THERE. YEAH, I'D RATHER HAVE THEM ON THE EXPRESSWAY. I'M SURE IT TURNS INTO AN ISSUE. NOT. NOT NECESSARILY FOR YOU AND ME, BUT FOR THE RESIDENTS, JUST OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE AREA. YOU DON'T WANT THEM GOING AROUND THE TOWN SQUARE LIKE SEMI-TRUCKS ALL THE TIME. YOU WANT TO BE NEW YORK? DON'T DO THAT. WELL, WE SEE IT REGULARLY. YOU CAN'T EVEN GET CARS THROUGH. I SEE IT ALL THE TIME. WE CAN'T EVEN GET THE CARS ON THEIR OWN. GET THAT SCANTRON OPEN. WHAT IS THAT THING HAPPENING? I DON'T KNOW. STILL LAWSUITS. AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO THINKING THEY'RE GOING TO SHAVE ALL OF THE FACADE OFF NOW. AND THAT'S SOMEHOW GOING TO MAGICALLY THAT ALL THAT STUCCO IS GOING TO IT REALLY. IT'S LEAKING. IT'S NOT IT WASN'T PUT ON. I THOUGHT IT WAS SINKING. NO, NO, THAT'S A RUMOR. THAT'S IN ITALY. THAT'S. THAT'S A DIFFERENT. OH. OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THAT THOUGHT, THOUGH. IF THERE'S SOME AREAS AROUND THE EDGES WHERE YOU ALL THINK STILL SHOW SUBURBAN, EVEN THOUGH IT MIGHT NOT BE REALISTIC. THE POINT BEING, I WOULD GET RID OF SUBURBAN COMPLETELY. IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT 15,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOTS LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE TWO YEARS, YOU'VE NEVER SEEN SUBDIVISION THAT. SO LET ME LET ME FINISH THE THOUGHT. THE THOUGHT IS YOU'RE TRYING TO SEND A MESSAGE THAT WE WANT DENSER DEVELOPMENT MORE TOWARD THE CENTER OF THE CITY. WE DON'T WANT TO BE EXTENDING INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT WOULD BE THE ONE REASON TO SHOW SOME LARGER LOT SUBURBAN AROUND THE EDGES OF THE CITY. YEAH, BUT SOMEBODY CAN COME AND PROPOSE, RIGHT? IT'S THEIR DECISION THAT, NO, IT'S FEASIBLE. I WANT TO DO SMALLER LOTS. I CAN GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I WANT TO DO AUTO URBAN. BUT ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME AREAS AROUND THE EDGES. AND SINCE THERE'S SUBURBAN ACROSS THE WAY THAT YOU SAY, WELL, WE DON'T WANT DENSITY EVERYWHERE. WELL, THAT'S WHY IT MADE MORE SENSE TO ME TO MAKE THOSE SUBURBAN JUST LIKE ACROSS THE STREET. RIGHT? BECAUSE THERE'S SOME NICE HOMES ON, ON, ON IN THAT AREA ON, ON DEPOT ROAD. SO I THINK THE IDEA FOR US AND EVENTUALLY TO PROPOSE IT TO COUNCIL IS TO NOT HAVE ALL OF THESE VARIANCES, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A VARIANCE GOING TO BE A ZONING REQUEST REQUEST BECAUSE, I MEAN, IT'S ALL GOING TO TURN INTO SUBDIVISIONS. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE A LOT NARROWER. IT WOULD BE ONLY I'M PICTURING JUST SOME EDGE AREAS LIKE THIS WHERE THERE IS SUBURBAN NEARBY. AND THEN IF SOMEBODY COMES IN AND DOES WANT TO GO MORE DENSE OKAY, THIS IS SUBURBAN JUST WAITING TO TURN INTO AUTO AUTO URBAN. THAT'S ALL IT IS. IT'S LITERALLY. SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO IF WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE LESS CHANGES, YOU KNOW, AND HIM COMING TO US FROM GOING FROM AGRICULTURAL. LET'S PUT IT INTO SOMETHING THAT'S MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO BE, WELL, THE ONES THAT ARE AGRICULTURE AND ARE CURRENTLY VACANT ARE STILL GOING TO REMAIN AGRICULTURE. IT'S THE ONES THAT ARE AGRICULTURE THAT WERE ANNEXED, THAT HAVE SUBDIVISIONS ON THEM THAT WERE GOING TO BE CHANGING OVER. OH, SO WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO BE CHANGING THESE. IF IT'S VACANT LAND, IT'S GOING TO STAY. OH, OKAY. FORGET EVERYTHING I JUST SAID. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT LAND USE MAP. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP CURRENTLY SAYS. AG. YEAH. SO THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU ANY GUIDANCE. IF SOMEBODY COMES IN TO DEVELOP IT AND YOU WANT THEM TO COME ANYWAY, SO WE CAN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND IT'S BETTER FOR THEM TAX WISE. LIKE IT'S IT'S OH YEAH. YEAH IT'S. AND LOOK AT THE ZONING. SURE. SO I JUST WANT TO CAPTURE THOSE TWO TRAINS OF THOUGHT. ONE IS REALITY IS IT'S GOING TO BE SMALL. LOTS DON'T DO SUBURBAN ANYWHERE ELSE. THE OTHER SENTIMENT IS SHOW SUBURBAN IN SOME PLACES TO SEND A MESSAGE. [00:55:03] BUT PEOPLE CAN STILL COME AND PROPOSE TO DO DENSITY THERE. YEAH. WHAT DO YOU THINK? SO WE GOT IT. COMMERCIAL ON 107 AND EITHER SUBURBAN OR AUTO ON INDUSTRIAL. AND THEN THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS ALSO VERY CLOSE TO THEIR SOUTH. SO SOUTH OF 107 AND WEST OF MONMOUTH, THERE'S AVAILABLE LAND THAT IS CURRENTLY ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AS URBAN. I SHOULD PULL IT UP. SO WE, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP HAD SHOWN THAT THERE WAS AN OFFICE BUSINESS PARK HERE, BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, ACCORDING TO THIS MAP, THAT ON THE AERIAL HERE, THAT THERE'S ANYTHING DEVELOPED CURRENTLY. SO THERE'S KIND OF TWO THOUGHTS TO THIS IS WE COULD CHANGE IT TO BEING MORE RESIDENTIAL OR GO AHEAD AND MAKE IT ALL AN OFFICE BUSINESS PARK BECAUSE SINCE THERE WAS THOUGHT AT ONE POINT THAT THIS WOULD BE AN OFFICE BUSINESS PARK, THIS WHOLE. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO HOLD ON. I THINK THERE'S A BIG NEW APARTMENT. JOEY HOLLAND JUST BUILT A MASSIVE COMPLEX APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THEN JUST KNOCKED DOWN ALL OF THIS BRUSH RIGHT HERE THAT'S TURNING INTO A MASSIVE COMPLEX. THE AERIAL CAN'T KEEP UP. YEAH. THINGS ARE HAPPENING TO THE APARTMENT COMPLEX. JOEY. JOEY'S UNIVERSITY VILLAGE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS CHAVEZ. YEAH. AROUND THE GAS STATION AND ALL THAT. THAT'S. HE JUST KNOCKED IT ALL DOWN. THAT'S A BIG COMMERCIAL THING HE'S DOING. I THINK. THE SAME THING HE'S DOING IN MCALLEN, ACROSS FROM JOEY'S DOING OVER HERE. COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL. YEAH, HE ALREADY HAS SOME. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T KNOW HE HAD OBVIOUSLY. PROBABLY GOT THOSE LITTLE TRACKS THERE I GUESS. RIGHT. 12345. YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN SIMILARLY CHANGE IT TO OR WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO. WELL WE DIDN'T WE THE AERIAL DIDN'T SHOW THAT. SO WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE APARTMENT. SO NOW NOW IT WOULD BE ALL AUTO URBAN. AND THEN THIS PINK ONE DOWN HERE IS ALREADY AUTO URBAN. SO WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE FROM OFFICE BUSINESS PARK TO AUTO URBAN COMMERCIAL ON 107. IT'S ALREADY BUILT COMMERCIAL ON ONE ON ON TROOPER MOISES SANCHEZ WHICH IS 10TH STREET COMMERCIAL. ALSO THERE'S GOING TO BE ON 107 AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ALL MULTIFAMILY BEHIND IT. OKAY. WHICH IS THE PURPLE AND THE BROWN FISH. THAT'S WHAT'S THAT'S ALREADY HAPPENING. IT'S GOING TO BE DONE. AND. THAT'S GREAT TO KNOW IT'S CHANGING SO FAST THAT THE AERIALS AREN'T KEEPING UP. SO WE'RE NOT 100% SURE OF ALL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AROUND THE MAP AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE RUSSIAN SPY SATELLITE. EXACTLY. THE ONLY WAY YOU GET CURRENT INFO. IT'S A JOKE. SO, SURE, MAX IS AN AMERICAN COMPANY. SO THE NEXT ONE IS IN SOUTHWEST EDINBURGH, SOUTH OF SPRAGUE AND THEN WEST OF MCCALL. YEAH, RIGHT NOW IT'S CURRENTLY A COMMERCIAL IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. IT'S COMMERCIAL WITH URBAN BEHIND AND THEN TRANSITIONS TO AUTO URBAN AND THEN SUBURBAN BEHIND THAT GOING FROM EAST TO WEST. SO THERE IS AVAILABLE LAND. WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING ALREADY GOING ON THERE. MELVIN'S BROUGHT IT SEVERAL TIMES. MAJOR, MAJOR. YEAH, YEAH. MARIO HAS AND THEY WERE TRYING TO DO FOR FOURPLEXES SINGLE FAMILIES AND WE'VE, WE GOT SO MUCH PUSHBACK BECAUSE YOU GOT TO SEND OUT THOSE LETTERS AND GUESS HOW MANY HOMES YOU GOT AROUND YOU? ALL OF THEM. AND SINCE SPRAGUE DOESN'T HAVE A I THINK IT'S COME UP LIKE 2 OR 3 TIMES. AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO STAY AUTO URBAN. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. SO THIS ONE WILL PROBABLY END UP STAYING THE SAME. THIS IS THE ONE. YEAH. YES. I EVEN HAVE A NOTE HERE. YEAH. DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. BUT PART OF THE REASON WHY WE JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS ONE UP IN PARTICULAR WAS BECAUSE THE PARCELS ARE SO BIG HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS POTENTIAL THAT IT COULD BE COMMERCIAL OR, YOU KNOW, MIXED USE OF SOME KIND. BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. HE'S GOT THE RIGHT ENGINEERING FIRM. OBVIOUSLY NOT. THEY DIDN'T GET IT DONE. SO THEN THE LAST TWO ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CITY. ONE THEY'RE BOTH NORTH OF OWOSSO, AND THEN THIS ONE IS EAST OF I-69. SEE SIMILAR TO KIND OF SOME OF THE OTHER ONES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THERE'S THESE TWO TINY PARCELS THAT ARE GENERAL COMMERCIAL. SO THINKING ABOUT GOING AHEAD AND MAKING THEM ALL INDUSTRIAL. IT ALREADY APPEARS AS THOUGH THEY'RE INDUSTRIAL FROM THE AERIAL. SO JUST GOING AHEAD AND MAKING THAT COHESIVE IS THERE ANYTHING ON THOSE PROPERTIES RIGHT NOW? I'M SORRY. IS THERE ANYTHING ON THOSE PROPERTIES? YEAH. IT'S THESE. SO THIS BUILDING IN THAT PICTURE THERE ON THE ON THE TOP, THAT'S THE SMALLER ONE THEY HAVE. [01:00:02] THEY SELL MATERIALS LIKE PAINT AND STUFF. SO IT'S KIND OF IT'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL. YEAH. WELL IT'S BEING TREATED THAT WAY. IT'S IN USE. WAIT, WAIT. SO HOLD ON. YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING THIS TO INDUSTRIAL? THIS WHOLE PURPLE BLOCK? IT ALREADY IS. ALREADY ON THE MAP NOW. WOW. IT'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL. JUST CHANGE THE TWO RED PIECES. YEAH. HERE'S THE ONE. VICTOR. I AM 68. 68. YEAH. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD CHANGE. I TRIED TO ZOOM IN HERE ON THE ON THE AERIAL, BUT IT'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL. YEAH. AND. OKAY. AND THEN WHY ARE MY WHY IS RIO GRANDE STEEL NOT INDUSTRIAL? THEY ARE. NO NO THEIR AUTO URBAN MR.. SO IF YOU LOOK TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, MA'AM, THAT'S ALL THAT YELLOW. ALL THOSE THAT SAY 67. THERE'S A CONCRETE PLANT. THERE'S A BUNCH. SO ALL OF THAT ORANGE. IT'S ALL INDUSTRIAL GUYS. INDUSTRIAL. INDUSTRIAL? YEAH. THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S REAL GRANDEE STEEL. A BIG STEEL STEEL COMPANY. A BUNCH OF WAREHOUSES. WAREHOUSES. WAREHOUSES. MALDONADO. MALDONADO. YEAH. HECTOR. HECTOR'S. THE STEEL FABRICATION MAKES REBAR. THEY DO VERY WELL. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE THE WAREHOUSES. JOE ROSS WAREHOUSE. I LIVED IN MY OFFICE FOR, LIKE, FOUR YEARS, SO I KNOW THE AREA VERY WELL. YES. SOMEHOW I MISSED THAT PART. SO I ADDED THAT ON MY MY NOTES HERE, SINCE IT'S ALREADY EXISTING AND IT LOOKS RELATIVELY NEW TO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE THAT ON THE INDUSTRIAL. YEAH, THAT'S ALL INDUSTRIAL. AND THERE'S A CONCRETE PLANT, J3 CONCRETE RIGHT THERE. SEE THAT BIG POND, THAT GREEN LITTLE POND. MOVE YOUR LEFT, LEFT, LEFT, LEFT, LEFT. THAT LITTLE POND. LEFT DOWN. OH, I SEE IT. YES, POND. THERE YOU GO. OOPS. OH, THAT'S THE THAT'S THE CONCRETE PLANT. OKAY, THAT'S THE RUNOFF. WATER CONTAMINATES THE LITTLE BIRDS. SO SO WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN OUR IN OUR CHANGES PROPOSED CHANGES AS WELL. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS SO JUST WEST OF THAT IT IS CURRENTLY LIKE YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT SEMI TRUCKS HERE. IT'S LIKE ORIGIN WAREHOUSE SERVICES DISTRIBUTION, SPL SERVICES. SO MAKING THIS BIG RED COMMERCIAL BLOCK AS POTENTIALLY INDUSTRIAL OR ONE DAY IT MAYBE COULD BE AN OFFICE BUSINESS PARK OR WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE KEPT AS COMMERCIAL, BUT THERE IS CURRENTLY INDUSTRIAL USES RIGHT THERE AT THE MOMENT. YEAH. DO YOU WANT IT TO? THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT IT TO CONTINUE BEING INDUSTRIAL? THAT'S I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND YOU'VE GOT RESIDENTS TO THE SOUTH, YOU'VE GOT THE HOSPITAL, BUT YOU ARE CLOSE TO THE EXPRESSWAY. I MEAN. IT'S NOT TRUE. RIGHT. SO THE QUESTION IS TO KEEP THOSE GENERAL COMMERCIAL OR CHANGE THEM TO INDUSTRIAL OR POTENTIALLY EVEN OFFICE BUSINESS PARK, BECAUSE IT COULD BE THESE ARE THESE ARE BIG WAREHOUSES. THESE ARE PACKING. THESE ARE LIKE SEMI TRUCKS. RIGHT. BUT THESE ARE THIS HAS TO BE I MEAN IT'S ALREADY INDUSTRIAL. IT IS INDUSTRIAL. BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE RARE CASES WHERE YOU KNOW IT'S A THEY ARE METAL BUILDINGS. SO YOU KNOW IT COULD EVENTUALLY IF WE THINK IT WOULD IN THE FUTURE POTENTIALLY GO AWAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SMALL OFFICE BUILDINGS COULD BE AROUND THAT AREA BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES BUSINESS OFFICE PARKS ARE AROUND, LOCATED AROUND LIKE A POND AREA SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE NOW. THAT'S NOT MOVING FOR 50 YEARS. THAT'S GOING TO THERE'S GOING TO BE TRUCKS IN THERE. YEAH. IT'S GOING TO BE INDUSTRIAL. OKAY. SO KEEPING IT AS INDUSTRIAL AND THEN AT LEAST JUST FOR THAT AREA THAT'S BASICALLY ONE AND TWO. AND AROUND THAT POND IN 70. SEVEN GENERAL COMMERCIAL. AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO CHANGE IT ALL TO INDUSTRIAL. INDUSTRIAL. YES, SIR. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY ALL THE WAY TO THE HIGHWAY. YEAH. SHOULD BE. SO ALL THE REST OF YOUR READ, LIKE 69, 69, 69, ALL THAT 69. SO EVERYTHING. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT NEEDS TO BE ALL RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN JUST SOUTH OF IT, WHICH IS OUR, I THINK, ALREADY FAR. RIGHT, RIGHT. THAT'S THE NEW BEING, THE OGDEN. OGDEN IS GOING TO BE ON THAT CORNER RIGHT THERE. THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A CAR LOT RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. BMW. BMW. NICE. WELL, THEY OWN 69 ALSO. OH. DO THEY? THEY MIGHT DO A CAR DEALERSHIP. PROBABLY. YEAH. OH, HE BOUGHT BOTH CORNERS. INITIAL PROPOSAL WAS FOR IT TO BE DOWN TO ONE. [01:05:02] THE ONE ON THE NORTH PUT A DOG. OH, IT IS A LITTLE TOO FAR TO RIDE. OH, WITH THE FIESTA PEOPLE. OKAY. SO HE'S LIKE, I WANT ANOTHER GMC. I AGREE. SO EVEN THOUGH WE SAY IT SHOULD BE INDUSTRIAL AND PAINT IT PURPLE, IT'S MORE THAN LIKELY GOING TO BE A CAR LOT. RIGHT. THE ONE AT THE CORNER TOWARDS THE CORNER. THE HARD CORNER THAT SAYS 69 ON IT. OH, HERE. RIGHT THERE. YEAH. IT'S OWNED BY BOB BECKER THE GUY THAT OWNS BERT OGDEN ALL THE DEALERSHIPS. AND SO HE'S GOING TO PUT A DEALERSHIP THERE. OKAY. YEAH. AND I WAS BITING MY TONGUE. THAT'S SOMETIMES YOU DON'T WANT TO GIVE UP YOUR FREEWAY FRONTAGE TO INDUSTRIAL. EVEN THOUGH FOR THE ACCESS. IF IT'S MY OPINION, YOU KEEP ALL INDUSTRIAL, YOU KEEP IT NORTH OF MONTE CRISTO, GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE AIRPORT. THAT SHOULD ALL BE INDUSTRIAL, GUYS, WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE INDUSTRIAL. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE YOU OUT THEN. WELL, I'M SAD AT ME. OH, NO. MR. GRANDFATHERED COMMERCIAL. THAT'S A COMMERCIAL, EVEN THOUGH PURPLE. BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. AND STUFF ON THE HIGHWAY NEEDS TO BE MORE COMMERCIAL. AND ESPECIALLY SOUTH OF MONTE CRISTO. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DEALERSHIPS AND TRAFFIC AND COMMERCIAL CAN LIVE THERE. BUT MOVE. MALDONADO. YEAH. MOVE THEM. THAT'S EVEN HARDER. YEAH, HE'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH, HE'S A STAPLE. YEAH. SO JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A WELCOME TO OUR WORLD TOUR TONIGHT. I MEAN, LIKE I SAY, WE'RE ON A FAST TIMELINE BECAUSE COUNCIL WANTS TO GET THIS DONE. THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT YOU ADOPT A MAP AND YOU MAKE AMENDMENTS TWO MONTHS FROM NOW. I MEAN, THE WORLD KEEPS TURNING, SO IT'S A POINT IN TIME, BUT IT'LL GET A NEW MAP VERSUS A MAP FROM 2005. CAN WE GET A DIGITAL VERSION OF IT, OR IS THERE SOMEWHERE WE CAN SEE IT ONLINE? GARY WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THE DRAFT. YES. YEAH. ONCE WE WE'RE GOING TO BE COORDINATING WITH STAFF NEXT AND THEN PRODUCE A DRAFT MAP. OKAY. SO THAT IF THERE'S A WAY TO HAVE IT DIGITAL WHERE I CAN JUST HAVE AERIAL SHOT AND THEN THE PURPLE, JUST LIKE WE SAW RIGHT HERE, RIGHT TURN ON A LAYER, YOU CAN PUT ON A LAYER YOU CAN TAKE OFF KELLY. AND THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. THAT WAY YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WHAT'S PHYSICALLY THERE. YOU KNOW AERIAL WISE. AND THEN WHAT YOU THINK WE ALL WANT TO MOVE IT TO. HOW OFTEN IS THIS DONE. WHAT WAS THE LAST TIME. SO THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE IN A CITY GROWING THIS FAST. YOU SHOULDN'T SIT AROUND FOR 20 YEARS. NEXT ONE'S GOING TO BE IN OCTOBER. AND IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PORTION AT THE BACK OF THE PLAN, IT'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANNUAL REVIEWS, FIVE YEAR UPDATES, TEN YEAR MAJOR UPDATES. SO THIS ONE WENT 20 YEARS. BUT YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR YOU SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS MAP AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR. HIS CONSULTING FIRM SAYS TO DO IT EVERY SIX MONTHS. OKAY. WE CAN GO THREE IF YOU WANT. I HAVE A QUESTION HERE. NOT OPPOSED TO IT. DO Y'ALL GIVE ANY INSIGHT WITH REGARDS TO. I MEAN, WE HAVE SO MUCH FOURPLEX DEVELOPMENT IN THE IN THE CITY OF EDINBURGH. DO YOU ALL GIVE ANY KIND OF INSIGHT TO THE CITY IN THE PLAN WITH REGARDS TO. OKAY. IS THERE LIKE A LIMIT TO FOURPLEX OR MORE RESIDENTIAL, MORE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT INITIALLY, IN THE FIRST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE PERCENTAGE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT KIND OF CITY DO WE WANT TO BE COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE NATION OR THE BUREAUCRACY? I REMEMBER THAT, I JUST DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE OTHER SOCIALIST. YEAH. WHAT WAS THAT? YOU CAN LOOK AT. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. JUST OF RESIDENTIAL AND NONRESIDENTIAL LAND USE IN THE COMMUNITY, YOU CAN LOOK AT DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES. THERE'S THERE'S NO FORMULA OR PATTERN. BECAUSE ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS KILLEEN WITH NOT FORT HOOD ANYMORE, WHATEVER IT'S CALLED NOW, BUT MILITARY COMMUNITY. EIGHT PLEXES. FOUR PLEXES. 16 PLEXES ALL OVER THE PLACE BECAUSE OF THAT HOUSING NEED. SO EVERY COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT. BUT WE'VE TIED IT MORE TO THE WATER ISSUE. AND THEN YOUR LONG TERM TAX BASE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GIVING UP SO MUCH OF YOUR LAND TO WHATEVER RESIDENTIAL USE THAT'S THE CONCERN. MORE TO ME IS WHAT'S GOING TO WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME OF THE PROPERTY OR SOME OF THE TAX BURDEN OFF RESIDENTIAL LONG TERM? WHAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR COMMERCIAL TAX BASE AND INDUSTRIAL. SO NOT SO MUCH A FORMULA OF HOW MUCH YOU SHOULD HAVE OF A CERTAIN HOUSING TYPE, BUT MORE WHAT IT DOES TO YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRAFFIC AND THEN YOUR TAX BASE BALANCE. WHEN YOU SAY TAX BASE BALANCE BECAUSE YOU WOULD WANT MORE COMMERCIAL TO HAVE A HIGHER [01:10:04] BASE. IS THAT BECAUSE YOU WANT LESS RESIDENTIAL? BECAUSE IT'S SO IT'S SO TAXING ON OUR SYSTEMS, THE WATER AND THE DRAINAGE AND POLICE AND FIRE. YOU'RE NOT MAKING A WHOLE LOT BECAUSE IT'S A $200,000 HOUSE VERSUS A $5 MILLION BUILDING ON. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE OLD THING IS ROOFTOPS FOLLOW RESIDENTIAL PLACES THAT GROW VERY QUICKLY. RESIDENTIAL HAPPENS QUICKLY. AND THEN AND THEN THE COMMERCIAL COMES IN AND NO, THEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH LAND LEFT FOR IT. AND SO YOU'VE GOT ALL THIS RESIDENTIAL AND GUESS WHO'S GOING TO PAY ALL THE TAXES? YEAH, THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMEOWNERS. ANOTHER THING YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BALANCES ABOUT IS THEIR PERCENTAGE OF THIS SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS FOURPLEXES LIKE 60, 40, YOU SEE, LIKE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING WHERE YOU SEE IT'S NOT 5050, YOU KNOW. BUT WE'VE SEEN A LOT MORE OF THESE FOURPLEXES COMING INTO THE CITY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A BAD THING, BUT WHAT ARE THE CURRENT RACIAL CLIMATE, DO YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY OF EDINBURGH, IS THERE A SINGLE FAMILY VERSUS MULTIFAMILY? WE'RE STARTING TO IT'S PROBABLY PRETTY EQUAL, RIGHT? YOU THINK IT'S HALF AND HALF? THERE'S NO WAY IT'S A LOT WORSE. AND THEN UNIVERSITIES ARE DIFFERENT. UNIVERSITY TOWNS ARE DIFFERENT. MILITARY COMMUNITIES, RETIREMENT COMMUNITIES. THERE'S THERE'S MORE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS THAN MULTIFAMILY LOTS. BUT IF YOU COUNT DOORS. OH, YES, YOU GOT FOUR DOORS. FOUR DOORS TO THE LOT. RIGHT? RIGHT. MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE WATER. YEAH. I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S PART OF GROWTH YEAH, BUT YOU TOLD US AT THE LAST MEETING, RIGHT? THE DENSITY IN THE WATER METERS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GET TO WHEN YOU START MAKING THOSE, THOSE KIND OF CHANGES THAT LOOK MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT TO ACQUIRE. I'VE BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS WATER ISSUE WITH WITH WITH JUDGE CORTEZ. THERE'S WATER IN THE VALLEY. GUYS, DON'T FREAK OUT ABOUT WATER. THERE'S THE WELLS YOU CAN DRILL. THERE'S DESALINIZATION PLANTS, WATER OPTIONS. THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS. IT'S TREATMENT. AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE CITY HAS GOT RIGHT THIS MINUTE, WHICH IS IT'S NOT JUST EDINBURG, IT'S EVERYBODY. WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE NOW CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE ANOTHER CERTAIN NUMBER OF CONNECTIONS. CORRECT. BEFORE THE NEXT ROUND NEEDS TO BE BUILT. AND WE'RE BUILDING NOW. BUT THERE'S BEEN SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US A WHOLE BUNCH MORE EXTRA CAPACITY JUST CATCHING UP. THERE'S BUT YOU HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER PLANT. SO THEN YOU NEED TO BUILD ANOTHER PLANT, WHICH MEANS YOU NEED MONEY TO BUILD ANOTHER PLANT. RIGHT. WHICH GOES BACK TO COMMERCIAL, BRINGS YOU IN MORE MONEY TO HELP GIVE YOU MORE MONEY TO BUILD ANOTHER PLANT. WE'RE BUILDING. WE'RE BUILDING MORE CAPACITY TO BUILD MORE RESIDENTIAL. YEAH. SO I MEAN, YEAH, SO. SO KIND OF STICK TO OUR HAUNCHES AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT MORE COMMERCIAL IN CERTAIN AREAS BECAUSE WE WANT THE TAX BASE. WE WANT MORE INDUSTRIAL BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE A HIGHER TAX BASE IN THESE CERTAIN AREAS. AND NOW HERE'S ANOTHER SPIN. WHEN YOU GET MORE ROOFTOPS AND MORE DENSITY, YOU'LL GET YOU'LL HAVE A BETTER SHOT AT SOME OF THE RETAIL CHAINS AND TYPES THAT YOU WANT OR SOME PEOPLE WANT WHERE YOU'D NEVER GET. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO FOR THOSE FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE TO COME DOWN CERTAIN. WELL, NO, IT'S LIKE I WANT TO LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION AND I WANT A STARBUCKS WITHIN. HOW FAR AWAY? YEAH. RIGHT. RIGHT. BUT BUT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE SOME OF THOSE SOME OF THOSE COMPANIES IS THERE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DENSITY WHERE, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A STORE UP AVERAGE MEDIUM INCOME. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT COME INTO PLAY. WE LOOK AT ALL OH, STOP! STOP, PLEASE. DON'T LET SOMEBODY HIT MY CAR. WASHES ARE STILL EXISTING. THEY'RE STILL MAKING. THERE'S A THERE'S A GUY THAT COMES DOWN FROM TEXAS A&M THAT HE. EDWARDS HAS A STATE OF THE REAL ESTATE EVERY YEAR. AND THIS LAST MEETING, HE SAID SOMEBODY HAD BROUGHT UP THAT SAME THING, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT WATER? AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DEVELOPING AND IT'S GROWING LIKE CRAZY DOWN HERE. BUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT WATER? AND HE SAID THE SAME THING AND IN DIFFERENT TERMS. BUT BUT THE TRUTH IS THE SAME. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THAT IS THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO RUN OUT OF WATER. YOU'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF CHEAP WATER. YEAH. IT'S JUST GOING TO COST YOU MORE. YOU'LL HAVE WATER, HE SAYS. BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO COST YOU A LITTLE MORE TO HAVE IT. AND SO THAT'S THE WELLS. THAT'S THE DESALINIZATION PLANTS. THERE'S ONE WATER SUPPLY COMPANY MILITARY HIGH WATER SUPPLY. THEY DON'T GET I DON'T THINK THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIVER. ALL OF THEIR WATER COMES OUT OF HOLES, COMES OUT OF WELLS, LIKE THERE'S BRACKISH WATER THAT EXISTS. THAT'S THAT YOU CAN AVAILABLE. IT JUST COSTS MORE TO TREAT IT THAN THE AGUA. THERE'S THESE BIG POOLS UNDERGROUND. THERE'S A RIVER THAT RUNS THROUGH THE VALLEY THAT'S FULL OF WATER. THERE'S WATER IN THE VALLEY. NOT AFRAID. I'VE I'VE. THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE WATER, BUT GETTING IT AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO DESALINATE. THAT'S THE THING. BUT UNLESS YOU GO DEEPER. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO REWIND 20, 30 YEARS IN TEXAS, PLACES THAT WERE GROWING AT THE PACE YOU'RE GROWING OR FASTER, GOT LARGE LOT SUBURBAN STYLE DEVELOPMENT, LARGE LOT SUBDIVISIONS. [01:15:01] YOU'RE GROWING RAPIDLY AT A TIME WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH POPULATION IN TEXAS ALREADY AND IN THE VALLEY, AND LAND PRICES ARE GOING UP SO FAST. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SEEN FOURPLEXES AT THIS QUANTITY IN THE PAST, BUT IT'S HAPPENING NOW. PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED TO LIVE AROUND THAT TYPE OF DENSITY. THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT. NOW, SO MUCH OF THE COUNTRY IS TRYING TO GET TO SOME MORE DENSITY FOR AFFORDABILITY REASONS. SO YOU'RE KIND OF IN THAT IN BETWEEN OF WE WANT SOME DENSITY FOR AFFORDABILITY, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO BE OVERRUN BY IT. AND I THINK JUST CULTURES CHANGE. PEOPLE ARE OKAY. RENTING PEOPLE ARE OKAY NOT OWNING. PEOPLE ARE NOT BUILDING FAMILIES. PEOPLE ARE NOT HAVING, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF KIDS AND THEY'RE WAITING LONGER OR WAITING LONGER, NOT EVEN HAVING THEM WAIT, WAIT TILL THEY PUT UP ONE OF THOSE CONTAINER SUBDIVISIONS. NICE DEVELOPMENT. SEE WHAT KIND OF SEE WHAT KIND OF SLACK WE GET THERE. I'M ACTUALLY MEETING TOMORROW IN THE MORNING WITH SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO CONTAINER SUBDIVISION IN MY OFFICE. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO JOIN, AS LONG AS THEY PASS THE TEST AND THE CODES AND THE SAFETY STUFF ARE THEY DOING IN AUSTIN? THEY LOOK COOL. I SAW ONE IN AUSTIN TO THE YOUNGER GENERATION THAT'S STAYING. WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, AUSTIN, YOU HAVE LIKE THAT STUFF, ZIEGLER PARK AND ALL THAT CREEK, THAT WHOLE SOUTH AREA, ALL THOSE ARE FOURPLEX OR DUPLEXES NOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN CHOPPED IN THE MIDDLE BECAUSE IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE TO AFFORDABILITY. YEAH, YEAH. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS OUR TOWN SQUARE ISSUE IS. WE NEED TO GET THAT RESOLVED TO WHERE WE CAN PUT DUPLEXES ON THERE WITHOUT HAVING TO JUMP THROUGH THE HOOPS. DO YOU WANT TO MENTION TO Y'ALL IS BECAUSE OF 2040, THE COMP PLAN TIES TO THE 2040 RESULTS IN A LOT OF PLACES. AND SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN TELLING THE 2040 CHAIRS IS, OKAY, NOW YOU'LL HAVE A NEW PLAN THAT'S MEANT TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD 1020 YEARS. THE 2040 PROCESS IS WHERE YOU CAN GET TO THE WHAT DO WE DO THIS YEAR AND WHAT DO WE DO THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? SO THAT'S THIS IS THE COMP PLAN IS YOUR LONGER RANGE BIG PICTURE THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT A 2040 PROCESS AND COMMITTEES. THAT'S WHERE THINGS CAN HAPPEN MORE QUICKLY. AND SO THAT'S COOL I'M EXCITED. THIS IS A COOL CITY. I MEAN, I GO TO ALL THESE DIFFERENT CITIES AND PRESENT FROM THE SOUTHERN CITIES TO THE BENITEZ'S TO THE WHEREVER. AND WE'RE, WE'RE WE'RE WAY AHEAD OF THE OF MOST CITIES IN AMERICA, IT'S FOUR TIMES. IT'S EXCITING FOR TIME. SO WE'LL SEE YOU ALL IN. WELL, HOPE TO SEE YOU OCTOBER 1ST FOR THAT COUNCIL PRESENTATION. BUT THEN WE'LL COME TO ACTUAL PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 10TH. IF WE COULD JUST GET THE MAP BEFORE THAT. OH, YEAH. THE INTERACTIVE WHERE I CAN JUST SEE IT OR JUST SEND THE GOOGLE OVERLAY OF WHAT IT IS. I'LL PUT IN GOOGLE EARTH, SEE IT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MISTER, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE DIRECTOR'S [7. INFORMATION ONLY] [A. Directors Report] REPORT? NO, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT WE'RE WRAPPING IT UP. THIS IS. WE'RE IN THE FINAL STRETCH HERE. OCTOBER 15TH IS THE DAY THAT WE'RE SHOOTING FOR TO GET THIS FINALIZED. SO THAT'S THAT'S IT. COUNCIL. COUNCIL. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK. IT MIGHT BE A JOINT MEETING, SO I STILL NEED TO TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SEE HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT, BUT IT'LL BE PROBABLY SIMILAR, LIKE WE DID THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT CODE, WHERE IT WAS A JOINT MEETING. EVERYBODY HAD TO CALL THEIR MEETING TO ORDER, RIGHT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.